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Poster: Spaced Date: Sep 26, 2006 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

>>Just like most any iconic figure, underlying that veneer of mystique is a human being as flawed as any of us...>>

Given that it seems prudent to not put too much into the Grateful Dead in general. Major historical religious figures warrant more attention if the goal is success.

Then again Jerry was somehow involved in my own peak experiences and was different enough from an ordinary person like me that I'm interested in finding out more. Re-listening to the songs in recent years I still see the strange beautiful connections, though for me now it's less personal and more archetypal.

One of my friends sometimes ponders connections between songs and Jerry's psychohistory, and this seems as valid as various other interpretive approaches. It's not like we're coming for him with a cross and nails and yet it seems too much on some level to lean so heavily on someone that didn't unequivocally vanquish his demons.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 26, 2006 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

Artists through time have used "unvanquished demons" as motivation for their work. From early sculpters to hard-core rap, what the artists relates regarding demons is what draws us in, as viewers/listeners. Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash and Power by Ice-T are perfect musical examples of peoples hunger for tales of unattainable lows.

I don't plan on going to prison or being a cop-killin' dope dealer, but the fact that artists are close enough to these experiences to create stirring accounts for mass consumption, has always intrigued me, and others apparentely.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 26, 2006 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

one caveat to your post - Hunter wrote the lyrics - those weren't jerry's thoughts, though i admit he added his soul to them. but to take the lyrics as his is a total misconception - he was a great guitarist and interesting painter, but by no means a lyricist.

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Poster: high flow Date: Sep 26, 2006 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

True. Although no other human has been able to do those lyrics justice, vocally or musically. Dylan's work for example can be interpreted so artfully by other musicians. Hunter/Garcia songs seem so personal, they just don't make an easy cover.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 26, 2006 7:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

i must agree with you there - i have never heard a singer "sing" another man's lyrics and made them more "his" own. he also made dylan come to life more than dylan himself. Garcia was one of the most emotional singers of our generation. the only other man that can come even close is the estraordinary Eddie Vedder - Vedder has Garcia's lyrical soul even though it aint the same genre. imagine that singin duo - never happened, but could have been very very special

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Poster: Spaced Date: Sep 26, 2006 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

I don't think Jerry or Bobby outdid Dylan at Dylan. That was only a few instances with Manfred Mann, The Byrds, and Hendrix.

I liked the Dylan covers plenty but not old enough to appreicate the Chuck Berry stuff.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 26, 2006 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

cannot agree with you on that one spaced. Jerry did dylan much better than dylan - more emotion, more feel, more rythym - just my opinion though

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 26, 2006 10:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

I've always rather preferred the Jerry versions of BD's songs, but perhaps there's a bit of bias in my appreciation. However, it's no knock on Dylan. He did House of Rising Sun tons better than Eric Burdon hands down, and i'm a huge (HUGE) Burdon fan.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Sep 26, 2006 11:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Discrepancy

Dylan's studio versions are far better, esp those mid-60s things. He picked great musicians and subtly knows how to inflect his own writing. I think his songs were so strong is why GD covered Dylan so much.

Or maybe I gargled too much in the rat race choir.


See Dylan front the Dead was so strange, at least in Oakland because they played Truckin while he did Highway 61.